Episode 11.06.2023 - Biological Dentistry with Dr. Engram


In this episode, Dr. Toni Engram discusses the benefits of biological dentistry and its impact on overall health. She highlights the importance of addressing root causes of health issues and emphasizes prevention and nutrition in dentistry.

Dr. Ardis and Dr. Engram share personal experiences, including dealing with Crohn's disease and discovering the correlation between oral bacteria imbalance and chronic illness. They also discuss the health effects of mercury fillings and the importance of proper removal techniques.

The conversation touches on aluminum toxicity, questioning the safety of fluoride in toothpaste and drinking water, and the potential health risks associated with it. They suggest that cavities can be reversed through dietary changes and natural remedies.

The connection between oral health and overall body health is explored, with a focus on incorporating healthy fats and nutrient-dense foods into one's diet. They mention the energetic connection between teeth and different parts of the body according to Eastern medicine.

The discussion also involves a lawsuit against fluoride in drinking water, citing concerns about its impact on cognitive function, especially in children. Recommendations include seeking dental health education from the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology (IAOMT) and supporting organizations like Fluoride Alert in their efforts to address this issue.

Throughout the conversation, there is an emphasis on the power of individuals to improve their health and the importance of holistic approaches to dental care.


fluoride, biological dentist, teeth, cavities, mercury, mouth, dentist, aluminum, mercury vapor, health


Dr. Ardis  0:11 

Good morning, everybody. I'm Dr. Brian Ardis. This is the doctor Ardis show. And we're excited to bring some information today on the benefits of biological dentistry and why it is I've only had a biological dentist assist me and my family's health for the last, I don't even know 15-20 years. So there's many, many ideals and values that sit within dentistry that by biological dentistry, I believe helps to solve and resolve concerns that actually are implicated in actually every single organ of the human body. So as I've tried to educate, warn and inspire people in the ways of natural health, I wanted to bring people on to the show and to our platform to educate people on the things I have learned that have benefited my own life, my own personal family, and help to resolve issues in my own wife's life. She had many, many complications and health issues that were resolved partially by simply changing dentist from a typical dentist, conventional dentist to biological dentistry. So stay with us right after the break, we'll be back. It's time to educate you on how the teeth are actually connected to the entire system. We call the human body. We'll be right back after these messages.

Dr. Ardis  1:24 

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Dr. Toni Engram  4:17 

Hi everybody and Dr. Ardis. Thanks so much for bringing me on. I'm excited to talk to you today.

Dr. Ardis  4:21 

Man, I'm super pumped. All right. So what's what's really the difference between a conventional dentist and a biological dentist? What's

Dr. Toni Engram  4:27 

the difference? Well, I will say a lot of the things that we do are the same. So we still do we still do exams and cleanings and fillings and crowns and all the things but we are much much more intentional with the mess methods that we use and the materials that we use. Hopefully before we even get to dental treatment. We are focusing on prevention and nutrition first so it is more of a whole body focus. And then when we Do you have to do treatment, then it's being very, very careful that we're using materials that are as safe as natural as possible.

Dr. Ardis  5:08 

So is it pretty conventional then for dentists to actually discuss nutrition and diet and health because most of the dentists I've been to in my life when I was a kid, there was a big bowl of dumb dumb suckers right there on the counter was like, you're welcome to the clinic in the leaving the clinic. Yeah, it's like

Dr. Toni Engram  5:23 

a it's like an investment in the business to leave candy as you walk out the door. No, I got exactly one nutrition class in dental school. Everything else I had to learn on my own. I took a course I'm a Integrative Nutrition health coach. So that was all self taught stuff.

Dr. Ardis  5:44 

Very good. Alright. So when I was at car break school, we didn't get very much either. In fact, at the healing for the ages conference I did last month, or in September of this year. Here in Dallas, Texas. I set up on stage with the other Doc's, I invited to speak. And I looked at them. And I said, I want to ask y'all a question. In the middle of this q&a with the entire audience. I said, how much education and what we just taught over the last two days, or things that we all learned in school, and all of us looked at each other, all three of them that were invited to speak actually looked at the audience and said, None of this stuff that we learned in school, we've had to learn all of this after school, and that we're just lifelong learners and researchers. And we'd love to learn learning doesn't end after school, but the applicable stuff in life like the basic things of how to stay healthy, keep our family healthy, our loved ones healthy. All that came after school, we got to learn all that stuff on our own. Tell us about a little bit about your background. Dr. Engram? Why did you became a dentist where you grew up, give us some give us some information about you know, some embarrassing stories when you were a kid, some adventures and your kids so people can find you relatable

Dr. Toni Engram  6:49 

to them embarrassing stories if you want those awesome. I grew up not too too far from here. I grew up in a little town called Hillsboro, Texas. It's about an hour and a half south of Dallas. And the further south of Dallas I go the thicker my accent gets.

Dr. Ardis  7:08 

Are there hills in Hillsborough?

Dr. Toni Engram  7:10 

Not how many? It's weird.

Dr. Ardis  7:11 

Interesting. It's kind of like Flower Mound. You know, there's just a little mound of flowers. That's the hill country the Flower Mound. I love it. All right. So what made you want to become a dentist? When did you decide to do that?

Dr. Toni Engram  7:25 

You know, I have a lot of family in health care, lots of nurses. My mom's a snog refer a few physicians in the family. And so really, I was drawn to health care. The older I got

Dr. Ardis  7:39 

the older I got my teenage years, I decided a better material career.

Dr. Toni Engram  7:43 

I'm 43.

Dr. Ardis  7:48 

Not 43.

Dr. Toni Engram  7:48 

I appreciate it. It's all the lights, mirrors and lighting, what nutrition

Dr. Ardis  7:52 

are you doing some to educate the audience? Exactly.

Dr. Toni Engram  7:57 

We're gonna get to that today. I'm excited. But really, I was drawn to health care, a lot of family and health care, but I didn't want the lifestyle of a physician. And I did well in school. And so I really, I said, you know, I think I can still help people. And I can still I can still be a health care provider, but not necessarily have the lifestyle of a physician where I don't even get to start my life until I'm 30. So So dentistry is what called me and I absolutely you know, they teach us in medical school about the tinfoil hat people who say that mercury is bad and want to take out all your amalgam fillings, and so I chose it and that was not something I wanted any part of. You know, I've always been fairly health conscious, but I just wanted a normal practice and normal town actually had a another practice down in Midlothian, which is a little further outside of Dallas. I just wanted to be normal. That's

Dr. Toni Engram  9:03 

really it, but try to be an abnormal, right?

Dr. Ardis  9:08 

You didn't wanna be the tinfoil hat, Dennis. I

Dr. Toni Engram  9:11 

did not. I did not. But God had other plans, thankfully. And he blessed me with some health struggles when I was 2930 it really before I just didn't realize what my health struggles were I didn't have a name for it. I got super sick when I was opening that first practice. And it took

Dr. Ardis  9:34 

what were some of your symptoms. Like what were some of the things you're struggling with fatigue? Oh,

Dr. Toni Engram  9:38 

you want to get into the embarrassing stories? Yes, I was. I was in the bathroom. I said

Dr. Ardis  9:43 

I want you to be relatable. Alright, good.

Dr. Toni Engram  9:45 

I'm on now.

Dr. Toni Engram  9:48 

I was in the bathroom eight to 12 times a day. couldn't eat anything without having to make a rash trip to the bathroom. Anytime your lunches were right And then I was always in pain and super bloated afterwards. And then finally it got to where, you know, I went to several doctors, they're like, Oh, it's just IBS, no big deal, take some peppermint and you'll be fine. It kind of got brushed off for a good while and then start it, I started to lose weight and I wasn't trying to lose weight and started to notice blood in my stool. Like, that's probably not good. And so I pushed my doctors more. And so finally he's like, Okay, well, let's do a colonoscopy then. And so we did the colonoscopy, and he's like, you know, this surprises me. But yeah, you actually have Crohn's disease. He's like, it's not, it's not mild, like this is legit. And he showed me pictures of where my colon was ulcerated, and just not super happy looking, I got what I got the story that that most people get when they're diagnosed with Crohn's disease by a physician and a medical facility. He said, Here's your list of medications that you're going to take, and you're going to be on these medications, to some degree for the rest of your life. At some point, these medicines will stop working, and we'll have to put you on stronger winds. And oh, by the way, there's a 40% chance that you'll lose all or part of your colon at some point. So do

Dr. Ardis  11:24 

you ask, did you ask your doctor at that point? Was is my Crohn's being caused by a prescription drug deficiency? Did you ask him that? Is that what you're selling? Is that what you're selling me? No,

Dr. Toni Engram  11:35 

but you know what I did ask? I said, What can I eat? To make this go away? What should I be eating or not eating? I want to know, he said, he looked me straight in the eye. And he said, your diet has nothing to do with this.

Dr. Ardis  11:51 

Oh, my goodness. Well, at this point in our lives, and the audience is watching this, that must have been a shocking moment. How was it for you in that moment? Was that a reality for you? At that point?

Dr. Toni Engram  12:01 

In that moment, the tinfoil hat went off. That's awesome. No, in that moment, I thankfully I'm stubborn. And I just didn't accept that. So I took my medication because I was honestly I was scared not to go on the medications that they gave me. So I went on the medications, thankful, and I'm super thankful for them, because they did put me in remission pretty quickly. But then I went on a mission to figure out how to actually heal this because I did not accept that I was going to be I was only 30 years old, I had a toddler, I was still still had a growing family, it just started a new practice. I did not accept that. That was the future of my life. And so went down all the rabbit holes of figuring out how to actually heal and figuring out what worked for me versus what did it because it's not the same for every person. And some people can get into remission quicker than others. So I learned what my triggers were, I learned my boundaries. I learned what foods worked for me and what didn't. And then once I gathered enough courage, I worked with a different physician. It was actually my OB, when I was pregnant with my second kid worked with my OB to come up with a plan to get off of all the medications. And that daughter is now 11 years old. So I've been off the medication since I was pregnant with her and have not gone back on a prescription since then.

Dr. Ardis  13:30 

Okay, hold up. Now, I actually was trying to look it up. But I want you to speak to this because there's going to be lots of people who know lots of people who are struggling with digestive disorders labeled IBS later diagnosed as Crohn's or celiacs. This is an individual, Dr. Engram, who experienced the exact same issues all of you who know someone struggling with those issues carried over a decade ago, and was diagnosed and told that could only take drugs or the most probable outcome is going to be having parts of your colon removed. So to speak to the audience for a little bit. Is there actually hope that these individuals have to live on drugs I'm speaking to the people in the audience is do they have to be prescribed drugs every day as their only option for treatment and therapy? Absolutely

Dr. Toni Engram  14:14 

not? Absolutely not. And like I said, I'm so thankful that that is an option because sometimes maybe it is needed and necessary to get you over a hump. But no healing is absolutely possible and that there's

Dr. Ardis  14:30 

3.1 million Americans diagnosed with Crohn's singularly in this country. So for those of you who are watching this show, make sure you share this or those watching the show who know people struggling with Crohn's or IBS or celiac disease, any gastrointestinal issue. Please make sure you share this with them. Even though I know we're talking to a dentist. She has a real world experience of actually correcting on her own a digit digestive medical diagnosis, which she was told you most likely have for life, which is absolutely not true. Have we had to unlearn most of our education? Dr. Engram? With own personal experiences?

Dr. Toni Engram  15:05 

80% of it. Yeah.

Dr. Ardis  15:07 

Yeah. All right, so keep you well, here's

Dr. Toni Engram  15:10 

the cool part is that, like I said, God blessed me with this diagnosis of Crohn's disease, because as I was going down all of these rabbit holes, and I was figuring out what how to actually heal from this chronic illness, I noticed some really interesting correlations. So Crohn's disease, it's an autoimmune condition, but it is caused in large part by dysbiosis in the gut, that causes a lot of inflammation. So

Dr. Ardis  15:43 

the fine dysbiosis for the audience, just an imbalance

Dr. Toni Engram  15:46 

in the bacteria. There we go an imbalance in the bacteria that's supposed to be there, you know, we're more bacterial cells than we are human cells. So more of the bad bugs than the helpful bugs. And the more I was studying this, the more I was like, well, good grief, what do I treat? In my practice? Every day? I treat tooth decay and gum disease. It's a dysbiosis. It's an imbalance of bacteria in the mouth, which is the first part of your gut. That causes inflammation. Holy cow, is

Dr. Ardis  16:22 

it really bacteria in the mouth? Yes, there it's all sanitary in there. I don't think there's any bacteria there.

Dr. Toni Engram  16:31 

There's there's a few there's a few.

Dr. Ardis  16:34 

The concepts around bacteria, right? Bacteria, all bacteria are bad, right? It's all been taught our whole life. All bacteria is bad. You scope us. Whatever kind of Listerine to kill it all. We don't need any bacteria in our body and in our mouth. Particularly. That's

Dr. Toni Engram  16:46 

right, taking a blowtorch to your microbiome. Are you telling me that that's not what we need to be doing every day? I'm telling you that that's not what you need to be doing wiping,

Dr. Ardis  16:54 

wiping the bacteria slate clean in your mouth. So you don't want

Dr. Toni Engram  16:59 

to it's like really Listerine and scope. And oh, paradex, the prescription mouthwash all of those things. They are basically round up for your mouth. Row. So if your mouth is a garden, which it it is, in many ways, then those harsh mouthwashes are basically the equivalent of Roundup. It's Let's kill everything

Dr. Ardis  17:23 

and allergy. Well, I'll use that stuff. I feel horrible. If I did.

Dr. Toni Engram  17:29 

You probably would, you probably would.

Dr. Ardis  17:33 

Okay, so God allowed you to be sick. Yep. God allowed you to experience that. And then you change your what you do first, just change your diet, looked at the foods that were irritating you. And you started eliminating some of those. What were some of those foods, examples that you remember?

Dr. Toni Engram  17:47 

For me, it was Starbucks coffee, which I love, love loved. And I still what's funny is that, you know, I healed and now I can actually do I can do Starbucks every once in a while, but I don't do it every day for sure. And I change what I what I drink at Starbucks, I don't do their coffee. I'll do like a matcha or an americano or something like that. So I can still tolerate that. So coffee was a big one. Honestly, gluten wasn't that much of a direct issue. For me, I noticed when I have a lot of gluten for a long period of time that I won't feel as good. But it's not it's not directly, it doesn't cause me any immediate symptoms. So that's convenient, gives you time to run to the bathroom.

Dr. Ardis  18:35 

It's not immediate, that gives me a hesitation.

Dr. Toni Engram  18:40 

And really a lot of it was was timing and stress for me. So I were in the combination, like I can't do I can't do fast food and eat crap, basically. So as long as I'm not eating crap, and I actually take time to sit down and eat and I'm not eating on the run, then I really can do just fine

Dr. Ardis  19:03 

Well, most Americans live the way you were just describing so they could just change some of the timing and what foods they're eating. That would go a long way. But yeah,

Dr. Toni Engram  19:12 

just little changes, little changes, especially like some people are an all or nothing all or nothing kind of people. But sometimes if you just make some small changes, it can make a big difference over time. Alright,

Dr. Ardis  19:24 

so on the second segment of the show, we're gonna go into a whole bunch of questions, but I'd really like to start out with one. You ready? All right, ready? So myths, tinfoil hat people that you learned about in school, right? The weirdos that say Mercury is bad for you. The very first question I sent you was, I want you to answer for the audience's are the silver fillings that are either proposed to go in people's mouths, or are already in the mouths of people. Are those problematic? They're

Dr. Toni Engram  19:52 

for sure not good for us. Okay, why? One of the I mean, let me count the ways we don't have enough time to talk Talk about all the ways, but I will say there for one, they're horrible for the environment dentistry in general. It has been a huge polluter of mercury into the atmosphere. A huge source of atmospheric Mercury is actually the places that do cremations. Yeah. All right.

Dr. Ardis  20:21 

So tree huggers, make sure you tell everybody not to get their silver fillings in their mouth telling, you know, to save the trees. And

Dr. Toni Engram  20:28 

then we know that mercury is a potent neurotoxin. And so what we were taught in school is that once you combine the mercury with these other metals and created this amalgam of different metals, we were taught that the mercury is then trapped, it's chemically changed, it is completely inert. What we see, however, is that it is not completely inert. And that anytime you apply heat or friction to those fillings, then you're going to off gas and mercury vapor. And that mercury vapor isn't absorbed by the tissue in your mouth by your oral mucosa. Where it gets deposited wherever heavy metals like to be deposited, which is often the brain, the kidneys, fatty tissue, that some people have very acute symptoms with. And some don't, some don't have acute symptoms, it's definitely not good for us. And, and we have to be very careful with them. 20 years

Dr. Ardis  21:33 

ago, I remember showing my patients different videos that Joseph Mercola would have on his site, where they would show individuals standing in front of a fluorescent green screen, and then making videos. Yeah, they would, they would like, take a cup of coffee and drink it. And when they would drink it, you don't see any vapors coming out of this hot coffee, but the moment they would pour it in their mouth, you would see all these gaseous vapors coming out of the mouth, as the hot water would actually touch the amalgam fillings, and then they would have them just chew a piece of gum, and you would see the same thing, just this burst of mercury vapor gas coming out of the mouth, just adding friction to the teeth. So this is absolutely something we are all exposed to. And you would watch the individuals nose, inhale the mercury vapors up to their brain, or their olfactory bulb is yet a very toxic substance. And we've been able to thank God I was exposed to that information, a truce 20 years ago, so I should make sure I didn't add any more. And I will say, when I was a kid, I had a Mercury feeling put in one of my teeth. My parents sent me to a conventional dentist. When I was an adult, the tooth right behind it just one day while I was chewing. I think it was a big potato actually just cracked in half and it was the one pushed up against the silver filling. Oh, sorry, it was the one with the silver filling. My dentist told me before I went to a biological dentist. I said Hey, is it odd that the only tooth that's cracked ever in my entire mouth is the only one with the silver filling in it? Does the mercury and that amalgam filling have any impact on the health of my tooth? You know, the dentist said it has absolutely nothing to do with it. Me the irony that it's the only one that did that. There's no ironic. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Toni Engram  23:12 

Alright, so the last 30 seconds standing contract over time. Yeah. All right. So

Dr. Ardis  23:16 

would you encourage in the last 30 seconds to this episode or the segment? Would you actually tell the audiences or encourage them? Regardless? Would you encourage them to have their mercury fillings removed? Is that always a good idea?

Dr. Toni Engram  23:28 

I will say, it's not always a good idea, because you have to be really careful with how you remove them. So you want to make sure sure sure, sure, sure that you're seeing a biological dentist to remove those amalgam fillings because we're the only ones who respect the mercury vapor enough that we put certain protocols in place to make sure that you're not absorbing tons of that mercury when we take a drill to it. Because if you think chewing a piece of gum releases mercury vapor, what's going to happen when I take a high speed drill, with tons of heat and friction to remove that thing, everybody in the room gets exposed.

Dr. Ardis  24:09 

I actually had a dear. A dear friend of mine who was a biological dentist are turned biological dentist who was doing those procedures with people drilling out mercury fillings and he developed lymphatic cancers from inhaling all those mercury vapors before he learned about the techniques in biological dentistry. And then he came and did presentations 20 years ago, to me and my classmates of how he had to go to Mexico and be healed from these cancerous growths being exposed to mercury and it was just a very specific Mercury detox to reverse his entire scenario. He was told by American doctors, he would absolutely die from Dr. Engram. We had a whole list of questions. You ready on the other side of this commercial break? Bring it on? We'll be right back after this. Alright everybody, I'm Dr. Ardis, Dakar to show the actual sponsors for this segment our Kirk Elliot, PhD dot com while the globalist tried to destroy all the money you've ever saved and worked for in your entire life, you might as well talk to a two time PhD in theology and economics. To understand how to navigate these tumultuous, propagandized waters, go to Kirk Elliot phd.com. Also tell them Dr. I just sent you and they will do a free consultation to help you navigate your financial waters. And then we've got gromacs Water hydro.com for water filters that remove glyphosate, mercury, you name it, chloride from your water as you're trying to grow gardens or have flower beds that you want healthy. You know self sustaining plants, you might as well give it the water it needs with that is devoid of all the chemicals that are toxic and poisonous to it. Why would you grow an organic garden and just give it tap water. Now you want to filter those things. So go to gromacs Water hydro.com. He's the last name or promo code Ardis ARD is for 10% off any of their items there, which is what I use in my backyard actually. And then we've got h2 bev.com. This is hydrogen infused nitric oxide loaded hydro shot, I actually drink this every single day, provide six to eight hours of oxygenation and hydrogen to the body to sustain energy levels. And then also healing for the ages.com. That'll be the last sponsor for this segment, go there use my last name Ardis ARDS, you'll save $50 off of the entire presentations, the video presentations, PowerPoint presentations, all of them come to your email, a 14 day action plan of how to implement the natural solutions into your everyday life and homes is also a part of that. And then also our ginormous resources list for the solutions. We provided all of the audiences worldwide through our healing for the ages platform, go to healing for ages.com to learn more. And yes, we've already booked the same facility for September 12 13th and 14th for next year. And we're very excited for healing for the ages 2.0. That's going to be a busy time for the next year getting ready for that one. But it'd be very exciting. All right, let's bring Dr. Engram back on. We've got a list of questions for people, at least that I think other people might be interested in. And I want to make sure that they have those answered. And then we've got other things we want to discuss too. All right. So let's go you're ready to number two. Number two question. Ready? Let's do it. When it comes to dentistry, do patients need to have any concerns about aluminum or aluminum products? Is that something biological dentists worry about and educate their patients on? I

Dr. Toni Engram  27:18 

think what we've noticed is that aluminum is present. In so many places, we've got so much exposure from whether it's our cookware or deodorant or personal products. And dentistry is no different. So there are some products in dentistry, that use aluminum, there are some abrasive powders that can be used in certain tools. The way some of the porcelain crowns are manufactured uses aluminum. So obviously that that's always a concern. And so best thing that we can do is do our best to avoid those things. Make sure that that we're checking each patient to make sure that they're compatible with the different materials that we're using.

Dr. Ardis  28:04 

Very good. Yeah, I had to I was wondering to see what you say said about aluminum because mercury is such a big topic in dentistry. I was like, I wonder how much he knows. But and when I was in my practice, and Tennessee actually had a 90 year old gentleman come to me, his tongue was like four times as normal size for two years. And it was red hot. And he couldn't even if you drink water, cold water, it felt like gasoline was poured on his tongue and lit on fire. This is how he described it to me. And when I actually did my evaluation for him to find out what was the underlying cause that medical doctors couldn't find an answer for. He actually had aluminum poisoning, and it was from porcelain crowns. And so we had to have those removed. And while he's in the exam room, he goes, Well, Doc, if aluminum is what's causing my symptoms, do you think I might have accumulated aluminum from my job? And I said, Well, what was your job? He worked for 70 years for a company Dr. Engram called Alcoa, the Aluminum Company of America. They worked in a factory that just manufactured sheets of aluminum cans of aluminum for war, World Wars, and for all of our canned goods. And so she tells me all these stories about how for like 50 years of working at this plant for 70 years, 50 years of it, they would just blow the shaved aluminum dust into the air, but it was everywhere in the factory and they just blew it into the air. And then the winds would take it all over East Tennessee. And at some point the EPA came in in the 80s and actually did assessments of cattle and they had to kill a million head of cattle because they all had gum diseases. They had testicular cancers, prostate cancers, gut bowel issues. And what they found was each of these cows bovine actually had toxic levels of aluminum. And then they tested the soil and found out there was toxic levels of aluminum and all the soil, tons of farmland around the factory called Alcoa in the city of Alcoa, Tennessee, what the EPA later came out and did After the investigation was finalized after two years doctoring, I mean what they said, they said, the aluminum toxicity in the soil all around this plant that extended for like 100 miles radius, the EPA actually came out and said the toxic levels of aluminum that will Alcoa, the factory has been blowing into the air and landing on our soil. And in our rain, water and irrigation. They said, this toxic level of aluminum is only toxic to cows. It has no effect upon human health. And I looked at this guy as he's telling me this story, whose tongue swelling up real big and I said, Oh my God, did y'all fall for that? And he goes, No, we knew it was we knew that. We knew that Alcoa had paid the EPA off, to not disclose that the aluminum poisoning affected humans why humans would sue them. cows don't sue people. So they paid them off to lie to the country and to the world. And I said, that is so dumb that they would even say that out loud, and papers and radios and newscast. Because every time we study the toxic effect of drugs, we test them in mice. And these are little bitty animals before we give them to humans, we want to know how toxic is it to these little mammals before we give it to the bigger ones. Cows are way bigger than we are. So if this stuff is toxic to them, and we are much smaller than they are. Obviously this would be toxic to the smaller mammals. So dumb. I hate this stuff. hate this cover up crap. And I don't know, I think they must think we're all just dumb. And we're just going to fall for anything and tell us so yeah. All right. So aluminum can be an issue to talk to your doctor dentist about that. Is fluoride good for us to drink and use in our toothpaste? And if yes, how is it safe and healthy for us? And if not, why not? I'm

Dr. Toni Engram  31:42 

pretty sure you would not have brought me on if I had answered yes to that.

Dr. Ardis  31:47 

Actually, I don't know what your answers are going to be. I just want to hear it. But as a biological dentist, hopefully this came up in your training.

Dr. Toni Engram  31:55 

So fluoride is a natural element, but it is not a nutrient. Your teeth do not need fluoride in order to not have cavities. So while fluoride can be naturally occurring in many areas, no, we do not need it to keep cavities away. A cavity is not a fluoride deficiency.

Dr. Ardis  32:21 

Oh, I like that cavities are not a fluoride deficiency. That's awesome.

Dr. Toni Engram  32:25 

Then what is it cavities are are really an acid erosion of the teeth. And that acid erosion is often caused by certain bacteria that feed on simple carbohydrates. But primarily, it's an acid erosion of the tooth structure. Okay, so with fluoride, you know, and I have I have stronger feelings about fluoride in the water, and then I do about the topical application of it. Educate me what we know from peer reviewed research, which, you know, I always take with a grain of salt, because not all peer reviewed breeze bits. There's a ton of bias involved. But what exactly, but what we do know is that when you ingest fluoride, that's not nearly as helpful at preventing cavities as it being topically applied to the teeth. So it's really pointless to ingest it from a cavity standpoint anyway.

Dr. Ardis  33:27 

And if you're drinking it, isn't it being applied topically? Is and that was there just

Dr. Toni Engram  33:34 

yeah, for the split second, while your teeth are exposed to that water than yes, they are getting fluoride topically, here's where it gets really fun, is we can't control the dose anymore. If you ingest it, if it's in your tap water, how much are you getting? If it's in your tap water? If it is used in your drinking water, then is that not for a therapeutic purpose? Well, yeah, they've said all the government agencies have said it is for the therapeutic purpose of reducing cavities. So you can't control the dose and it's used as a therapeutic agent as a medication. So the government has said that, yes, we were going to medicate you without your consent, which I was taught in school that that's bad that you shouldn't give them any kind of medication or treatment without someone's consent. But apparently the government can do it. And you can't control the dose. And so what do they do they tell they tell moms of infants, if they're bottle feeding instead of breastfeeding, they tell moms it's totally fine to use tap water. When you mix your baby's formula. That's totally fine. In fact, here use this nursery water that we've added more fluoride to to give to your babies.

Dr. Ardis  34:59 

You Know that when a if you go into a formula section of a store, they actually have distilled water jugs sitting right next to it. Yeah, they do for a reason. It's not fluoride flavored. I don't think that's pretty funny. All right, so can cavities be reversed? We started talking about cavities being a reaction to acid. That was the very next question I submitted to you. Fluoride is bad for you. We don't need that much fluoride as they're feeding us in our life, trying to get it into our water. And then of course, I remember as a kid, they had a warning on my toothpaste bottles every day. It said, If you swallow more than a pea size of this call poison control. Now it's not on those tubes of toothpaste anymore for like the last 20 plus years I can tell as an adult, so why did they take that warning away? Because they figured out it was safer and water was gonna make you drink it every day. The more the better. It went from a small pea size to we have no idea how much we're going to tell you to drink every single day and shower in every day. That to Stoli safe don't call us please don't call poison control about fluoride anymore.

Dr. Toni Engram  35:57 

No. Oh, totally safe, totally say safe and effective. Exactly. Right.

Dr. Ardis  36:01 

So can cavities. Can cavities be reversed? Can we change our diet? Make it have a less acidic diet? And are there things we can do to actually re grow? tooth?

Dr. Toni Engram  36:13 

Yes and no? Yes, yes, no. So absolutely, you can stop the disease process 100% 100% That's diet, that's nutrition, that's gut health. All of those things, less acid, less sugar, for sure. You can also re mineralize enamel Oh, so you can get the enamel to heal. But it gets you can even get that second layer of tooth structure you can get the dentin to heal and to harden up as well. But it becomes trickier once it's progressed to the point that there's an actual hole in the tooth. When there's an actual hole in the tooth structure then I'm not saying it's not possible to get that to fill in I just haven't seen it yet. I've seen lots of tooth structure harden up and I've seen the disease process stop and cavity stabilize, but once to structure is gone, then it becomes a much more difficult process. What

Dr. Ardis  37:15 

would you recommend to people to try to attempt besides diet? Is there any like specific nutritional supplements homeopathic remedies, therapeutics for helping to remineralize bone in the teeth?

Dr. Toni Engram  37:25 

I have a an entire course on this and in a 90 day accelerator for people who need like extra hand holding step by step on how to do this and making sure that they're doing the right things in the right order. But yeah, there are where did they get that info you can absolutely get it on our website. flourish dot Dental is our website. There's no.com At the end just flourished Dental, flourish dot dental go to our education right education page. I don't need the.com Go to our education page or we're really have a fairly large presence on Instagram, you can find links on our Instagram page as well. And that's just flourished and will boutique. So that's where you can find kind of the step by step. But in essence, absolutely. We want to make sure that you're getting lots of good healthy fats in the diet. Lots of healthy animal products, not junk animal products, but real grass fed meat real animal fats, organ meat, if you can tolerate organ meat or hide it and your kids food. Those are really, really helpful. You can add any kind of healthy oil is is good. A lot of we have a lot of patients who will do cod liver oil, who will take that as a supplement. I don't like fermented cod liver oil. Just fun fact. There's a book that promotes it that's been really popular for the last few years. And I have some issues with that part of that book. But But yes, I less sugar, more nutrients, we just want nutrient dense. And then helpful tools that we can use are things like Xylitol is a really helpful tool not necessarily to ingest but to use topically and oral products, candies, gums, things like that. And hydroxy apatite as an ingredient in toothpaste. So hydroxy apatite is what our tooth enamel is actually made out of and

Dr. Ardis  39:28 

ever heard this word I'm excited to learn hydroxyapatite

Dr. Toni Engram  39:30 

Yeah, calcium hydroxyapatite the crystal structure that our enamel is made out of. And so they can take it from a lot of times from cow from bovine sources, they can take it and if they grind it up fine enough, then your tooth enamel can actually absorb it and we can see some really good changes in the hardness of the enamel and the strength of the tooth if you're using a toothpaste with Hydroxyapatite. So in my practice when we're not using In fluoride, and we've kind of put our stake in the ground. We don't have any fluoride in the practice at all, which is harder than you would think, in a dental office tools like Xylitol and hydroxyapatite are really important for us when we're needing to fight tooth decay one way or another.

Dr. Ardis  40:18 

That's awesome intent. Were you ever familiar? And did you study maybe know this very well? Dr. Royal Lee's work,

Dr. Toni Engram  40:23 

heard lots of good things. And I've used standard process for a good while. Just

Dr. Ardis  40:27 

curious, because, you know, from the 1929 1930s, he was just doing mission trips around the world as a dentist and was wondering why everybody had better teeth and Americans did, who are out in the jungles, all these indigenous people. And it all came down to diet. And that's why he launched the organic whole foods supplement line called standard process, the very first thing was to develop a product to reverse periodontal disease, and then cavities. And there's a product he developed in the 30s 1930s, called Bio dent, I use that a lot for my patients, and I'd have them chew it up. That's how he developed this little tablet back in the day, and we could actually watch people's cavities reverse using this stuff. And it does have animal bovine bone product in it. In fact, I used that bone matrix is probably that hydroxy apatite stuff.

Dr. Toni Engram  41:12 

Yeah, sure. There's some in there. Yeah.

Dr. Ardis  41:15 

That's pretty awesome. All right. Now, next question. We want to make sure we get through all these, then we want to discuss a lawsuit to you know, to me, all right. So next question, does the mouth have any connections to organs in the human body? And thus the health of those organs? Is there any connection that you're aware of?

Dr. Toni Engram  41:30 

Feared it's actually connected to your entire body? Who would have thought

Dr. Ardis  41:34 

every tooth Your mouth has a connection to every part of the human body? How is that possible?

Dr. Toni Engram  41:39 

How is it possible? We went to two different schools? Exactly.

Dr. Ardis  41:44 

Alright, so give us an example of real life example of a specific tooth that could have a problem that could be indicative and implicated directly to the health of a specific organ in the body. Like, for example, if a woman has hypothyroidism is there teeth in the mouth that could be correlated to a under functioning thyroid? Really,

Dr. Toni Engram  42:04 

two different schools of thought we can go the western medicine route, and Western medicine is showing more and more often, you more and more studies are showing that? Yes, in general, the health of your mouth is directly implicated in some of these systemic issues. So yeah, if you've got thyroid issues, we'll see more inflammation or inflammation leads to more flare ups of the thyroid issues. And any issue that is inflammation based, will have a correlation to the health of your mouth. We go to Eastern medicine and it gets more like wacky fun, could like kind of blows our brain those of us who are trained in western medicine. So in Eastern medicine, each specific tooth is connected energetically to different parts of the body in different organs. So if we're looking at the upper first molars, the upper first molars are connected to breast tissue. And so we'll see weird things like oh, I happen to have an infected root canal and an upper first molar and that coincidentally correlate to a tumor that I had on my breast on the same side. I've also seen, you know, the lower front teeth and these anterior teeth before are connected to the genital your urinary system. So I have seen

Dr. Ardis  43:31 

that's far away. I mean, the mouse way up here.

Dr. Toni Engram  43:35 

It has to hover. Oh, yeah. So we had a patient one time who was having pain in her gum tissue around her lower front teeth, we could not figure it out. Her symptoms were not matching what I was seeing clinically at all. Just coincidentally, she was having menstrual bleeding for it. She's in her 50s She was having menstrual bleeding for months and months, finally went to the gynecologist they found a large cyst on her in her uterus that had to be surgically removed. This cyst was removed, and what do you know, the pain in our gum tissue went away?

Dr. Ardis  44:14 

So there's a connection both ways. How about that

Dr. Toni Engram  44:17 

connection? Both ways? Yeah, yeah. And

Dr. Ardis  44:20 

for the most part, you would have thought from your training and learning and education and seminars, readings, that the teeth might have been implicated in creating that problem there. But this is actually the opposite. That's pretty awesome. All right. So there's a connection there. And also, I would encourage people to do their own research, which always do you can look up online, tooth to Oregon related charts, just look it up Oregon to teeth related charts and they will pull up there's tons of click images under whatever search engine you're on. And there's tons of them. I always had them in my office and every single room. Alright, is there a documentary a book or a magazine or a website, including your own? Like your education tab of your website? That might be what you say? I wanted to know is there something that you would recommend to audiences where they could start the process of law learning the truth behind dental health and the rest of your health,

Dr. Toni Engram  45:05 

I would say if you're just starting, if this is a new concept to you, then there is a website where we get a lot of our education, our continuing education around biological dentistry. And it's a very long name, I apologize. But it's the International Academy of oral medicine and toxicology or the I A OMT. So if you go to I O M t.org, then they've got a ton of patient resources, that is a really good starting place. If you want to dig in, and you're kind of a health nerd like I am, and you want to dig a little deeper, then a lot of the basis for everything we do is the Weston A price book, nutrition and physical degeneration, where he talks about his mission work ancient cultures, and how that affected their teeth one way or the other, how it affected the growth and development of their jobs. Which means we're gonna have to do another show so we can talk all about growth and development. So I think those are some really good places to start. And then yeah, absolutely. We're, we're on Facebook, I mean, Facebook and Instagram, as long as they let us stay there. Were on YouTube and rumble, as long as they let us stay there. So look forward, tell them what they're gonna look at. Look, just look at flourish general boutique or flourish Dental. And you'll find us Yeah,

Dr. Ardis  46:33 

perfect. All right now, we've got several minutes left in this show. I want you to talk about the lawsuit. Let's get into it. What are you working on young lady?

Dr. Toni Engram  46:40 

So So I am a passionate observer? I'm not working on this, although if they needed my help, I would be there with bells on? I sure would. So there was a study that was done. And this was what's called a meta analysis and a meta analysis in the peer reviewed science world. It's the strongest evidence that we have. It's basically a study of studies. And so the federal government has a National Toxicology Program. And the National Toxicology Program did a meta analysis of fluoride in our drinking water, and its safety. And its relation specifically to the IQ of children. And what the NTP report found was that there is no safe, measurable level when it comes to fluoride in our drinking water. Wow, this is the federal government.

Dr. Ardis  47:42 

When did this meta analysis get published?

Dr. Toni Engram  47:47 

That's the thing. It did not. Rachel Levine blocked it being published. And so it was hidden for several years. During all the we were all rightly distracted by all of the COVID stuff. And so there were some there are some nonprofit groups that sued the EPA around this, and thankfully, the judge compelled Health and Human Services and the National Toxicology Program to release this study. So the meta analysis, this study of studies is now public. And you can find the entire document on fluoride action networks website. So fluoride alert.org is really the best place where they have all of this information. They're one of the main nonprofits that is leading this lawsuit. And so I think it's really important because it lawsuits take a long time. So will they'll do like a status hearing every month or two, just to kind of get updates talk with the judges lawyers talk to lawyers and all the the mess that the legal system has to go through it is moving very, very slowly. But so far, the judge has been very fair and has compelled different information to be released. But yeah, so that's, that's the conclusion of the study is that there is no safe level.

Dr. Ardis  49:19 

So the fluorideaction.org website, fluoride, alert.org fluoride alert.org If we send audiences there, they will be able to see the actual documents. Yep. And they also get information about the suit. Can they follow along donate support? Absolutely.

Dr. Toni Engram  49:36 

There's information about the lawsuit and there's just good information about fluoride in general, you know, the you can always go to the American Dental Association and get all of the studies related to the success or quote their appearances success of water fluoridation, but then you need some balancing views. So I like you at all. always want people to do their own research. So the ADA, the American Dental Association will have all the pro fluoride information. But then fluoride alert.org will also have all of the studies that are showing potential dangers and risks that the scientific community did not no 20 years ago, 30 years ago, these are new studies, after Ardis, there are over 70 studies that are now linking water fluoridation to decrease IQ in our children.

Dr. Ardis  50:32 

Well, I have five of those kids, and it's absurd. It's insane. It doesn't

Dr. Toni Engram  50:36 

sentencing. And, you know, there's no there was one that showed on average, like 100%. I mean, 100 point IQ drop it No, that's not right, a 10 point IQ drop. Sorry. That's, that's like, all right. So if you have a 10 point IQ drop, then if you've got a kid who would have been on the edge of needing special education, or on the edge, that that really can alter a family, or alter a family for life for generations. So we're, we're kind of screwing our kids in a lot of ways. And I'm really hopeful that the lawsuit gets more attention than it has been getting, and that we can make some steps to end this ridiculous practice.

Dr. Ardis  51:28 

Well, I don't like them dumbing down our civilizations and our children, specifically, but if it's happening to our children, and we're consuming the same tap water, it's going to be occurring to us too. We're just bigger kids, for sure. So this would be a big problem to everybody. If you're trying to figure out why it is you're struggling with word puzzles the way you used to not when you were a kid and younger, it's because you're fluoride most likely. Alright. So Dr. Engram? Is your practice so full of patients that you cannot take anymore? And now you're diverting them to other people? Or do you dare tell our audiences where to find you?

Dr. Toni Engram  51:57 

We do have a little bit of a wait, but we are I'm training some new dentists, we're adding team members, we're expanding. So as long as we can find people who are good, kind hearted people who share our values, then we'll keep growing and we'll keep seeing patients. So absolutely send them send them our way. Then go to flourish dot dental and find our phone number schedule an appointment.

Dr. Ardis  52:20 

That's awesome. And then also go to fluoride action or fluoride action.org. No, it's fluoride. alert.org alert.

Dr. Toni Engram  52:29 

Fluoride alert. All right, Action Network. I know I didn't I didn't name their website. They didn't ask me. Sorry.

Dr. Ardis  52:35 

Okay. So in wrapping up this interview, and yes, we'll do more. I think this is a huge topic and hugely important. I have specifically only gone to biological dentist for the last 15 years for reason, my audiences I want to warn them of the things that are impending that might cause harm to them in the future that they're unaware of. So educating them consistently with your help would be awesome for me. I would love to continue to have you on and educate as things dropper, you'd learn things, it would be great to have you come on and educate them in the ways of how their dental, health and food and things they consume impact their health, right. All right. So outside of that, I want you to leave one or two top tips of something individuals should do starting right now without having to set an appointment to start improving their everyday dental health and then overall health. You have two tips. Dr. Engram

Dr. Toni Engram  53:20 

tips drop the sugar. I know it's easier said than done. Drop the sugar, drop the junk carbs, the crackers, the breads, that's basically sugar just in another form. Add some bone broth. If you do those two things, if all of my patients did those two things, I would have far less work to do now I'm

Dr. Ardis  53:39 

gonna make it a I think it's a great recommendations. I'm gonna just make a statement. I've never said out loud before except to my wife. Do you recommend people brush their teeth every day? I do. Okay, good. I actually do brush my teeth twice a day. I just want the world to know that Dr. Ardis is irritated every day when he looks at his toothbrush and has to go through that two minutes of brushing, I'd never looked forward to it. I don't like doing it. It's like the very last thing I'll do before I leave the bathroom every day before I go get in bed. But I I just don't like brushing my teeth. I just don't. But I do it every single day, but I hate it. Okay, but you as a biological dentist. This isn't something like a tinfoil hat moment where you say brushing your teeth is bad. No one should ever do that. That's a waste of time. And it hurts us more than it helps us. Is there any restrictions or changes to the recommendations of how often you should brush I have

Dr. Toni Engram  54:25 

patients who have pushed back on this and said they don't want to disrupt their oral microbiome. They don't want to disrupt that bacteria that's naturally there. And I I get that in concept. I just don't see evidence in practice. And I think it's just because of our modern diets. So yeah, of course 100 years ago, 200 years ago people weren't brushing their teeth. It in farther back, you know, our our more ancient ancestors weren't brushing their teeth. Most of them weren't. So yeah, there is something to be said for not disrupting a healthy oral microbiome. The problem is our exposures. It's all our we didn't even talk about terrain theory versus germ theory, that'll be next time. But it's all about creating a healthy terrain, and we're exposed to too much junk. Our terrain is not healthy enough that we can not brush and remove that plaque that biofilm from our teeth every day. Well,

Dr. Ardis  55:26 

I think it'd be a lot of fun to do a terrain versus do germ theory. entire episode with you. I've never done that episode. I've had people come on that who actually have that viewpoint, either one. But that's not something we discussed in our actual interview. So I think that would be a fun one to discuss. Let's do it.

Dr. Toni Engram  55:42 

Okay, we'll make it happen. Dr. Engram. Thank

Dr. Ardis  55:44 

you for coming on. And tell everybody your phone number for your clinic so they can call and set up an appointment. Yeah,

Dr. Toni Engram  55:48 

absolutely. It's 469-676-2777.

Dr. Ardis  55:53 

All right, everybody, I'm excited to see what lines out the door there are and you're having to hire one dentist after another every single day. That's going to be exciting to help support the load. All right, Doctor, any hope give some hope. Gives give some goodbye sign off for the audience's so

Dr. Toni Engram  56:10 

grateful to be here. You absolutely can heal from almost any chronic illness. You can heal. You have the power. God has the power, you can make it happen. And that's that's the biggest thing that I hope all of my patients all of our audience takes away. Your

Dr. Ardis  56:31 

awesome Dr. Engram. Thank you for taking the time today to educate our audiences and inspire them and show them what 18 can look like at 43 It's amazing. All right, everybody, God bless you. We will see you next week on the doctor Ardis show. Have a great day Doctor.

Dr. Toni Engram  56:43 

Thank you appreciate it.